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4th Jan, 2017 at 8:32pm
 
Harrogate Town plan to go full-time and join Fylde, (as are Kidderminster and Nuneaton I think). Salford to go full-time next season.  They are being funded by their multi-millionaire Chairmen. Why do they put the money in? Do the clubs still rely on volunteers or are there more paid staff?
Is this the future for the Vanarama North/South leagues or, as some say, does a club at this level get the very best part-time players or the worst full-time players?

Some reading on the motivation of Club Chairmen/owners and volunteers.

Chairmen


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36266364

http://www.totalfootballmag.com/non-league/from-grass-roots-up-running-a-non-lea...

http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/non-league-chairmen-what-draws-them-in-to-runn...

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2015/11/02/colin-gordon-the-new-owner-of-har...

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/nuneaton-town-secures-future...

Volunteers


http://www.thefa.com/my-football/football-volunteers/coachingvolunteering/clubwo...

http://www.isthmian.co.uk/focus-on-the-volunteers-12121 (I have a copy of this book)

http://www.nonleagueyorkshire.com/tag/volunteers/

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Reply #1 - 5th Jan, 2017 at 11:22am
 
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Reply #2 - 5th Jan, 2017 at 4:05pm
 

Does this thread preface new investment into LTFC Tickets....?

Just enquiring‼️
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Reply #3 - 6th Jan, 2017 at 4:53pm
 
Thanks for commenting Ronsdog, one of the brave (or foolhardy?).
As far as I know it's not directly related to Lowestoft Town this season although more investment would be welcome : I've just posted this for discussion.
Leiston look more likely to gain promotion, and Needham Market even more likely. Whether they go into Conference North which I have looked at, or Conference (sorry, National League) South, they are likely to come up against full-time players.

Many Chairmen are also volunteers, of course, putting in time and effort as well as money and it seems to me that the further down the pyramid you go the more time they put in directly. I've certainly seen our Chairman working hard on behalf of the Club: one example is at the Africa by Night at Africa Alive!, another is cooking at the LTFC Beer Festival.

The amount of money to be found over and above ticket sales isn't small even with a part-time Club. If you go full-time players will have to forgo other earnings, add your own figure (of £35,000  for a teacher) (of £60,000 for a gas-fitter-plumber), they will look to get a similar amount on top of their present part-time earnings or will transfer to a part-time Club.
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Reply #4 - 7th Jan, 2017 at 7:00pm
 
So we were beaten today by a good
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full-time team who travelled yesterday and stayed overnight and have players with league experience and a Wales international.
Ready for Conference National South  Smiley
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Reply #5 - 10th Jan, 2017 at 6:49pm
 
A Havant fan seems upset that people say they are full-time and have a big budget.  

http://bognorfc.proboards.com/thread/6014/billericay?page=2


and another interesting thought .....

Leiston chairman Andy Crisp has hit back at recent comments about his team having one of the biggest budgets in the Ryman Premier Division.

Crisp, who has been chairman at the Victory Road club for 16 years, has been left angered at suggestions from Needham Market boss Mark Morsley that Leiston are one of the ‘big-money powers’ in the division.

Leiston beat Needham 5-1 last Monday in a league clash.

“My experience at this level as chairman of Leiston means I know only too well how our budget sits with others in this division,” Crisp said.

“Certainly we don’t have the same budget as the likes of Dulwich Hamlet and Havant & Waterlooville."

http://www.greenun24.co.uk/non-league/leiston_chairman_andy_crisp_hits_out_at_di...
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Reply #6 - 11th Jan, 2017 at 12:06am
 

On a more general sponsorship theme, I note that Rymans will be severing their link to the Isthmian League at the end of the season. New sponsor still TBA.

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Reply #7 - 11th Jan, 2017 at 7:32am
 
Ronsdog wrote on 11th Jan, 2017 at 12:06am:
On a more general sponsorship theme, I note that Rymans will be severing their link to the Isthmian League at the end of the season.


Apparently I heard negotiations for a new deal have been stationary.
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Reply #8 - 12th Jan, 2017 at 2:16pm
 
This topic is also covered here a bit. http://www.lowestofttownfcfansforum.co.uk/cgi-bin/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1482834223/2...

and some more news:

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NENE PARK, the former home of Rushden & Diamonds and Kettering Town, is set to be demolished under plans submitted by the stadium’s owner.

The ground in Irthlingborough was home to Irthlingborough Diamonds and then Rushden & Diamonds from 1969 to 2011 before Diamonds were dissolved.

Local rivals Kettering Town moved in for 18 months before costs became too high for the Poppies to continue playing there and the ground has been empty since November 2012.

Conalgen Enterprises SA submitted two applications for development of the Nene Park site 12 months ago. They wanted to demolish the stadium and build a new retail and leisure development including a foodstore, shops, eight-screen cinema, hotel, restaurants and a new community football facility.


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Reply #9 - 12th Jan, 2017 at 10:38pm
 
Gosport, another club who 'chased the dream' with three promotions in five years, now find themselves in dire straits. Such meteoric rises always end in failure, unless a sustainable source of income can be found to fund the inevitable cost increases with each promotion.

Gosport, in trouble pre season now find themselves a subject of a council investigation........
Councillors have demanded an investigation is launched into a claim of misinformation before making a key decision over extending the lease of Gosport Borough's ground.
Gosport’s Liberal Democrats want executives at Portsmouth City Council – which manages Gosport council affairs – to look into the agreement with Gosport Borough Football Club.
As reported by The News, Gosport Borough FC, whose chairman is Tory Councillor Mark Hook – leader of the borough council – were given a 30-year extension of their Privett Park stadium lease at a policy and organisation meeting in September.
When asked by Councillor Peter Chegwyn if they were up-to-date with rent, then treasurer Julian Bowcher said the club owed no rent money. However, a Freedom of Information request from The News found the football club was behind in rent.
Further FOI requests have found they owed £1,355 on November 21, although they have 30 days to pay the bill once invoiced. The club have also been issued two winding-up petitions by the High Court, although both were subsequently dismissed. Cllr Chegwyn, leader of the Lib Dems in Gosport, has asked for a full investigation and believes the decision should be revoked and go back to the board.
He said: ‘We were given wrong information. No council tenant or taxpayer would be able to get away with it. ‘If I’d have known the club were behind on their rent, I would not have voted to extend their lease. I want the football club to do well but the taxpayer and the supporters have a right to know where all the money went.’
Labour leader, Councillor June Cully, has given her support to the Lib Dems and said she would have deferred the decision. Cllr Hook said Cllr Chegwyn was entitled to ask for an investigation to be carried out and insisted the executives would do a good job. Michael Lawther, Gosport council’s deputy chief executive, said: ‘Cllr Chegwyn has raised a number of matters, which I’ll look into. I’ll respond to him with the result of my enquiries as soon as possible.’ (Source  News.com)
Club statement ... http://www.gosportboroughfc.co.uk/news/club-statement-1738584.html

Add to this that wages haven't been paid on time, resulting in an exodus of players, they look like a club in crisis. They also have the small matter of a third winding up order to contest at the end of the month.....the clubs custodians continue to make positive noises.........  http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/football/gosport-borough-fc/gosport-borough-fc...
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Meanwhile, at Worcester Park
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“It costs something like 240 quid just to put a match on” explains Sam. “We manage because the players pay £100 to join, and £10 a match to play. If you ask our Secretary he will tell you that we run at a level that just about enables us to pay our way, and that’s all. We don’t make any money out of it – there is never a surplus. And sometimes it has to be propped up by people like me, or Alan Pearce (Match Secretary and Treasurer) or Reg sometimes, when he was the Treasurer. Generally speaking, we run at a level that enables us to continue”.


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For all its rhetoric of supporting grassroots football, the FA’s dictatorial insistence on what many consider pointless and expensive ground grading requirements at County level, undermines many of the clubs that are the very grassroots and nurseries it purports to support.


https://dbauckham.exposure.co/d3711235c89203c282c5708c247bc6cf
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Reply #11 - 15th Jan, 2017 at 10:43am
 
Ronsdog wrote on 11th Jan, 2017 at 12:06am:
On a more general sponsorship theme, I note that Rymans will be severing their link to the Isthmian League at the end of the season. New sponsor still TBA.


http://www.isthmian.co.uk/record-breaking-ryman-era-to-end-34729/
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Reply #12 - 16th Jan, 2017 at 5:03pm
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...-east-wales-38618650

"The president of Wrexham FC supporter's trust has stepped down, questioning whether the fans' ownership was good for the future of the club.
Bryn Law posted on social media he had resigned from the role with a "heavy heart" on Friday evening.
In a statement Mr Law said the club was in a "poor state" and performances were short of what fans deserved.
Wrexham Supporters' Trust, which took over the club in 2011, has been asked to comment.
Wrexham lie 15th in the National League - the fifth tier of English football - with only nine wins in their 28 games so far this season.
They face North Ferriby United at the Racecourse on Saturday.
Mr Law wrote in his resignation letter: "I remain a supporter of the trust ideal, the notion of the fans being the best people to run football cubs, however I am now beginning to wonder whether it is working in the best way for the betterment of our club?"
Mr Law, whose presidency role has no involvement in the running of the club, said he had great pride in what the Trust had achieved.
"We all want the very best for the club we love, as we know, Wrexham is for life," he wrote.
The trust board signed a deal to take on the 99-year lease for the Racecourse Stadium last year."


Broadly speaking (and noting there are always exceptions) I guess football clubs have two options:

1. sustainable and accountable fan ownership that may result in a glass ceiling in the lower reaches of the pyramid.
2. private ownership that may result in short term promotions but could end in rapid decline, administrations or even liquidation when the benefactor pulls his investment.

There's probably a third that mixes the two ownership models but that remains dependant on the current 'owner' harnessing the fan base to the common good, and I can't think of any club that has managed that feat.

Even FC United of Manchester are still experiencing a war between various factions.

As far as Lowestoft are concerned the future still remains clouded in uncertainty.

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Forest Green Rovers made a loss of nearly £2.5 million for the year ending April 30 2016, the club's accounts have revealed.

The losses of £2,469,374 are down on the previous year when a loss of £2,928,709 was recoreded but mean in the last two years the overall losses are in excess of £5.3million.

The profit and loss account shows that Rovers had a turnover of £1,097,821 for the year, the vast majority of which came from matchday revenue (£656,608).

The club's wage bill for the year was an eye-popping £2,146,999 – an increase of £219,624 on the previous season.






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Reply #14 - 2nd Feb, 2017 at 11:25pm
 
Perhaps MFC has been the most innovative ownership model ........

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyFootballClub

Slough Town are the current beneficiaries.

It does beg the question however, that if local control with its bonds of kinship and belonging can be replicated by a worldwide internet ownership.

Crowd funding for AFC Lowestoft?
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